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Word Count Woes (NaNo)

October 25th, 2008 (09:30 pm)

So, being the bright eyes that I'm not, I decided to DL the latest version of Open Office in Japanese rather than English. There was a post over on NaNo's forums saying that OO'll give you an accurate word count. No problems. DLed and... according to a previous version of OO, the word count for GH2 was just under 56k (OO 2.4). New word count ~57.5k (OO 3.0). From memory, I remember MS Word (XP?) reporting it as ~63-67k. So, out of morbid curiosity I checked the word count in Word 2006... ~105.5k?! (~2.5k were non-Asian.)

IIRC from last year, OO and Google Docs gave approximations for word counts similar to NaNo's counter, so I'm more inclined to go with OO's word count. (Google Docs and I had some arguments last year, so I'm not risking my work on it.) The thing is, GH2 is ~165 pages long with table of contents and author's notes. (In comparison, IW clocked in at just over 50k and 113-118 pages depending on which computer/version of OO I was using.) I have to write half again more what I'd written last year for this year's NaNo?? And in another language at that?? *cry*

As a result, a) I'm in denial and pretending the world's all roses still, b) I'm thinking about doing a two-shot back-to-back investigative story in order to add more background and pad things out to be able to manage to reach my word/page count, and c) I'm trying to figure out how on earth I can warp the space-time continuum so that I can actually write that much in Japanese without having my brains go oozing out my ears. >.> I'm 100% carbonized toast. *sigh* (Now if NaNo's site's word counter will give word counts similar to MS Word's counter, I, of course, would be in heaven. However, the probability of that being the case... *le sigh* )

I need to get out of denial so I can actually do some stuff. >.<;


Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 03:38 am (UTC)

*pets* Bah, programs never agree.

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)

Yes, but... 57.5k vs 105.5k?? Even I have to admit, that's quite an amazing spread in counts. >.>

I'm going to have to try out the NaNo word counter once Nov's here and see what sort of results it gives. >.> Hopefully, it won't be too horrible, but I did hear that word counts was a definite issue for NaNoers writing in Japanese. *sigh*

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 04:40 am (UTC)

That is an amazing stretch. It could be that the characters stand for an entire word instead of writing out the entire word?

That or whomever developed the counter only spoke English. ~.~

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 04:51 am (UTC)

Hmm... it's possible MS is doing something weird so that their character count is becoming their word count for Japanese. OO reports the chara count as being ~114.5k and if 2.5k were English words... at 5 letters per word, that'd leave ~107k. Take out punctuation, quotes etc., and it may well be that all it's counting are characters. >.>

Darn! It would've been so nice if that could've been the word count instead. *sigh* I do believe I'm doomed. >.<;;

(BTW, how's your NaNo plot? Firmly in place or are you going to wing it more?)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)

Pretty firm in place, I think. I may have to wing a bit, but when don't I?

How about yours?

BTW-- you are really going to have to bug me. November just happens to be the month for the virtual projects and what not.

Email me, IM me via LJ, whatever you have to do to make sure I get my word count for the day(s) in and I'll do the same for you.

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 06:00 am (UTC)

Hope your NaNo and all other projects turn out the way you want!

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 06:06 am (UTC)


Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 08:17 am (UTC)

Trying to decide how to go about things now that word count/length is an even bigger issue than originally expected. (Don't know if you remember how much I was bemoaning possibly not having enough substance with IW to make 50k last year. I was seriously afraid it'd fizzle out at ~30-35k.)

I thought you might have projects due in Nov since you're taking classes. ^^; Will be sure to stay on your case. ^_^

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 03:43 am (UTC)

Maybe better to forget about word count and just write? After a nice cup of tea and a doujinshi read to help soothe the nerves / stimulate the muses?


Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 04:17 am (UTC)

Except that I'm aiming to win. ^^;; I'll admit, I very, very briefly, considered the possibility of writing one of IW's spin-offs and then doing the J NaNo, but... I haven't lost my senses to that extent yet. ^^;;

Cheers! ^_^

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 05:58 am (UTC)

You're trying to do TWO?! oO
I can't even get a few hundred words written (besides floating in my head) * bows to sensei *

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 08:14 am (UTC)

>.<;; I might need to to get the word count there. Japanese can be a very compact language. >.<;; Right now, I'm trying to decide if it's better to start at the beginning and go straight through both, or if I should start with Yuujou (as originally planned) and then backtrack for as much previous story detail as I need. The problem with the first is that I have the final scene concept(s), and some of the middling, but I have no clue on how to get everything started. >.>

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: October 26th, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)

Doesn't compute to count Japanese the same as English ~_~
Gomen, don't quite follow what you're saying story wise, but just hope whatever the result is you'll be satisified with the body of work.

Posted by: Necie (de311_nightluva)
Posted at: October 27th, 2008 03:28 am (UTC)

oh that does suck... My tummy hurts just thinking about the new feat this year, the thought the word count could be off would really have me sick. You'd think nano might do something for people writing in alternate languages so that a word count wouldn't be an issue for someone doing it in another language... or maybe they do and I just don't know ^_^

Good luck with this year! I'll be pattering away right along with you. Did you get the email for last year's winner?

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: October 27th, 2008 07:37 am (UTC)

Unfortunately, while they don't restrict what language people write in, they also don't officially support non-Latin languages for the word counter. >.>

This is what they say in their FAQ:
You can write novels in any language you like. Our validator doesn't handle non-Latin characters sets, sadly, so there may be an issue with becoming an official winner. But this is just icing on the NaNoWriMo cake, and we encourage you to write in whatever language is most comfortable for you.

It may be icing on the cake, but I still want to see purple come late Nov. >.<;;

I did. I don't think I'll use it though; I did a fanfic after all. ^^;; Still it's a nifty idea and one that works well for something like NaNo.

Good luck! I'll be watching and making sure you're puttering along. (Mind you, you were a lot better than me at working on it steadily last year! *laughs*)

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