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Bagels and SUP

March 16th, 2008 (10:05 pm)

*drama mode* Argh! My bagels! The oven killed my bagels! >.<;; I decided to try making bagels for the first time in ~a decade, and everything went well... okay fine. I lie. My bagels floated in the water rather than sinking first during their brief boil. But they *burned* in the oven! >.<;; I need to hunt down my oven thermometer and double check the temperature of that sucker. *sigh* A lot of hard work and kneading down the drain as it were. >.>
*end drama mode*


I'm sure most folks out there have at least noticed the latest changes LJ has implemented to the accounts. While I haven't said anything about it yet, I have been following much of the insanity that's gone with the changes. There are a couple of things that have since arisen though that has caught my attention even more than the 'let's try to slip a change by them, insult them, but definitely not apologise to them' bit. (No, I don't view SUP's attitude very favourably.) Namely, the adult content cut doesn't resolve to the page if you're not logged in (it used to be you had to hit the consent button and it would then give you the content, but it constantly loops to the consent page instead) and the "censored" interests page. I don't normally look at the interests page, but I don't like the idea of having it censored. There's some signs that the censorship might've been from earlier on; I won't say I'm the most observant person out there.

Since this account is a permanent account, I doubt I'd completely abandon LJ, not to mention I have too many ties and friends here, but I'm also definitely not wanting to financially support SUP any further. yumenokage will not be renewed when the account comes up in June and I don't plan on returning to paid status unless LJ makes some serious improvements in their attitude towards customer service. Business is business, yes, but I didn't think being insulted was supposed to be a customer privilege. *shrug*

In any case, just in case things go seriously horrible, I was wondering what other options are out there for my lesser private accounts. I've picked up an IJ account just in case, but it's not exactly the most aesthetically pleasing site out there, and it doesn't strike me as having the same community feel as LJ does. I have debated running a blog on a personal site and leaving it at that, but I'm also a bit curious about the other sites out there. I am on Ravelry, but haven't taken much of a look around yet. Also, my account name is under my real name. (Not to mention Ravelry is quite specific. ^^ ) As popular as Facebook seems to be here, I haven't tried it nor have I tried... Myspace(?). So, I was wondering if folks could give me a brief rundown on the pros / cons on the other sites and blogging sites. Any info folks can share would be most appreciated! ^o^


And lastly, there is a one day content strike planned for LJ for folks to (silently) 'voice' their protest over recent changes to basic accounts. Personally, I don't have an issue with the actual change, I have an issue with how it was done and SUP's reaction to users' reaction to the change.

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Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 05:41 am (UTC)
iBite

To put my two cents in, I don't like Myspace-- too easy to meet shady people. That's made the national news in the US.

*shrugs* That's just me.

I'm on facebook, but I'm not to pleased with it, either, because of lack of blogging. They have superlatives and applications instead where I guess you can simulate things? Dunno. I created the account because half the people in my classes don't know what LJ is, mind-boggling as that is. I will say this for facebook: I can actually advertise that I've updated my blog there.

I agree that IJ isn't as nice as LJ. I have a DeadJournal account as well, but that's very small and no free accounts, either.

And SUP's customer service isn't the best. I work customer service-- they're doing it wrong.

Edited at 2008-03-17 06:35 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 06:41 am (UTC)

Hmm... I remember Mona posting a bit about Myspace I think, and I do feel like I've heard about the problems with it, but I'd never actually looked at it myself, so it seems pretty abstract. But yeah, I can appreciate the need to be careful with it. >.>

So no blogging on facebook, eh? I was wondering about that. I don't think Ravelry has blogging either, but is a site for crafters to connect which does appeal to me. Facebook seems to be really popular over here with communities(?) being created for all sorts of things including increasing public awareness and getting input about certain crimes. But again, I haven't actually joined it or anything so it's a bit abstract in my mind. ^^;

Yeah, the main thing is that I haven't seen anything truly equal to what LJ is on such a broad spectrum. Yahoo groups are fine for specific things like a specific title or for a knit-along project or what have you, but you can't interlink the groups and again no blogging.

Quite frankly, SUP's customer service shocked me when all this happened. :/

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 08:03 am (UTC)

Posted by: subdee (sub_divided)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 05:43 am (UTC)

yaoi_daily has a really nice multiuser WordPress set up at http://yaoijournal.com/. The admins over there have been working on the site since last August. I keep thinking that if there was a general animanga (not just yaoi) site like this, I'd would sign up in a heartbeat.

I'm on Facebook, but I wouldn't recommend it for anything you don't want linked to your real name and address.

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 06:44 am (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I agree, something a bit more general would be really nice especially since I'm not longer into yaoi much. ^^;

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 06:31 am (UTC)
KARIN

Mine's only a basic account... a kind friend got me 6 months paid so I wonder what happens when that is up... (all the chnages started after she had given me the gift) I have no plans on using myspace or facebook or blogs or whatever...

If no more yumenokage account then please mention fic posts here... I'd hate to miss anything!

Hope the oven behaves nicely next time.

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 07:01 am (UTC)

I believe you'll drop back down to whatever your account was set up as before you went paid. The change to the free accounts was that basic accounts can no longer be created, only plus accounts. For people using Firefox and Adblock, you can pretty much avoid the advertisements though. ^_^

I don't have any plans on killing yumenokage at the moment, but most likely it'll drop down to a basic account come June. (But, yeah, if I did I would post updates here.) I am however steeling myself just in case I need to split myself up across various sites again. In terms of straight blogging, I actually like some of the J blogging sites like fc2 or ...ninjatools? shinobi? I can't remember which. However, I don't think they have the same flist concept. Trackback's useful but nowhere near the same.

Hope the oven behaves nicely next time.

I can only hope. *sigh* At least the arms got a good workout with all that kneading. :P

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)

Posted by: Because loving ONE Seki-sama isn't good enough! (sekitx2)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:56 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:18 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ysabet (umadoshi)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
Haru colored (domlandbubbles)

I doubt I'll actually abandon LJ, because a) I have a permanent account too, and b) I have a couple of distinct communities of friends here, and c) no matter how much I hate their policies, I'd feel too much like I was letting SUP or whoever run me out of the place that's been my online "home" for, oh, six years now. But I'm *really* mad about it all. >.<

That said, I have accounts as "umadoshi" at GreatestJournal (which I hear has basically disintegrated), IJ, and JournalFen, although I haven't used any of them. No harm in reserving the username. And I do have a Facebook account, but frankly it's kind of evil and boring, and definitely isn't anything like the same kind of service.

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 09:45 pm (UTC)

Another one who thinks FaceBook is evil! Glad it's not just me!

Posted by: Ysabet (umadoshi)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 10:33 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:16 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ysabet (umadoshi)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 12:46 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 05:43 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:42 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:06 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:38 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 19th, 2008 03:45 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ladaymyst (fallenfor_lurke)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 05:58 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:49 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:57 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:20 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ladaymyst (fallenfor_lurke)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:03 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 07:23 am (UTC)

Posted by: Hysteria (hysteriachan)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:18 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 02:16 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ysabet (umadoshi)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)

Posted by: kolalakitty (kolalakitty)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)

Facebook has blogging.. kinda. They are called "Notes". I just have it use the mini feed function to pull in my LJ posts though.

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)

You can feed your posts to your facebook, but you can't actually full-out blog.

Posted by: kolalakitty (kolalakitty)
Posted at: March 17th, 2008 10:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 12:47 am (UTC)

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Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)

I'll admit, I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the things that happened last year; I didn't really see it affecting me, but... I think plain recurrence is making me take more notice of what's happening now. >.> Their handling of the account stuffs is what really got me. I can live with the decision to stop offering basic accounts, but how they did it and what they did after... *sigh*

Posted by: ArianaTaniyama (arianataniyama)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 01:31 am (UTC)

Has anyone tried Google's Blogger? I only know a couple people with accounts, and they don't really blog, so they don't have much of an opinion either way.

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)

I re-signed up for Blogger, but I never really got into their blogging utility when I first had an account with them, so I can't really say much about them. ^^;;

Posted by: Ladaymyst (fallenfor_lurke)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 04:46 am (UTC)
Atan Hadas green

Looked into Xanga? I created an account there several years ago, and used it to keep in touch with a few friends who'd moved out of town.

Xanga is similar to LJ - a journal with comments. It's not a clone like the newer sites, however. It has its own quirks. Xanga tried to become all hip as a competitor to LJ, adding extra features, but I don't know what it's like at the moment.

(Because I'm still finding/hacking my password! *irritated with self* Been away from it a year. Meant to log in sooner and revamp the thing for new purposes... >.<)

If you're looking for an LJ replacement, I'd definitely recommend a blogging site like this over the networking sites MySpace and Facebook.

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:09 am (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! I completely forgot about that one. ^^; So definitely a blogging site rather than the networking ones, eh? I'll keep that in mind, thanks! ^_^

Posted by: Ladaymyst (fallenfor_lurke)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 19th, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)
Harmony--Ghost Hunt

Ne... still thinking about the new Beta feature on ff.net?

What's your thought so far?

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:17 am (UTC)

I keep checking it out, but I'm not entirely sure still. >.> I keep reading the beta profiles and seeing people claim to be really good at 'spelling and grammer', not capitalising in their profile, etc. that I seriously wonder about using it. As for being a beta... I don't mind beta-reading for people I know, but I'm a bit leery about beta-reading blindly on ff.net. I think I might be a bit too particular about canon and characterisation. ^^;

You?

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:33 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:40 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 06:45 am (UTC)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 19th, 2008 03:47 am (UTC)

Posted by: Too cute for evil (ginny_t)
Posted at: March 18th, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
rampant intellectualism

As long as adblock blocks the ads, and there's still a free option, I'll probably stay with LJ where my community is. If there's a mass migration, I might join it. I have no contribution to the discussion of various options. I'm lazy and will just follow (maybe).

I'm seriously and vehemently anti-advertising, so this change does anger me, in addition to the way it's been done.

I was going to be all "*pout* She's on Ravelry but didn't friend me?" Then I did a little search, and if that's you I found (with nothing but two stashed items and no pictures), I guess I'm a little mollified. Or, I could scold you for not properly using your Ravelry account. I got sucked in; you should be, too!

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: March 19th, 2008 03:54 am (UTC)

I have to admit, I'm not sure what I'm going to do right now. I've obviously invested a lot in LJ since this is a permanent account, but SUP's attitude and (non-)action is sad. I can understand not wanting ads and wanting free ad-free accounts, and I can understand why a business might not be able to do that, but the way they've handled things is astounding. >.>

*laughs* I am on Ravelry, and at a guess, I'd say you found me! ^^;; I vaguely remember putting some Lisa Souza sock yarn in my stash. I haven't spent much time on there though. ^^;; I'll try updating things and getting it looking at least a little more presentable. (At least Ravelry allows two free name changes. I might go for it. :P )

Posted by: Too cute for evil (ginny_t)
Posted at: March 19th, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC)

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