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Quick Q for FF.net writers and users out there

April 9th, 2007 (10:38 am)
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Drive by posting... :P

A few people have mentioned fanfiction.net, so I've been wondering, of the FF writers who read my blog, how many of you write on ff.net? This sounds like a good place for a poll...



Poll #963091 FF.net poll

Do you use FF.net to post your ff's?

Yes, I like it
5(25.0%)
Yes. I don't have a website
3(15.0%)
Yes, but I don't like it (please explain)
2(10.0%)
I post in communities
0(0.0%)
No. I have my own website, FF journal, etc.
0(0.0%)
No. I don't like it (please explain below)
0(0.0%)
Other (please comment)
2(10.0%)




Yes, I don't read ff.net and I've never really stopped by there before, so I haven't a clue. ^^; Comments about what folks think about it and how it works (both on the writer and reader sides) would also help me out here. ^^;; TIA! ^_^

Comments

Posted by: sunflower1343 (sunflower1343)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 04:56 pm (UTC)

I don't like it because it's the equivalent, to me, of teen night at the local bar. The average age of readers and writers seems to be about 14. Of course, since the fandom I mainly write in centers around an adult yaoi manga, I wouldn't post most of my fics there anyway. But in both comments and writing the majority of them seem very immature. There are constant flamewars.

There are good writers over there, but they almost always post other places too, like mediaminer.org or ficwad, or these days just on LJ communities. I've been avoiding the place entirely.

Oh, as a reader, one annoying thing is that their search capability is terrible. It's very difficult to find a fic unless you have a specific fandom, author and title.

Posted by: lady_readwolf (lady_readwolf)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 10:06 pm (UTC)
ff.net

... it's the equivalent of teen night at the local bar.

That is a great, great discription. I wasn't very fond of it even before I was banned (When they went through all those changes with the rating system what was it? four? five years ago? They locked all my stories so I couldn't access them and change the ratings. I've noticed that now they have a ratings guideline in place--gee, that would've been useful to have had.), and I admit, I've been sour to it ever since. The only time I'll go there is if I've been linked through from someone's fic journal. I ended up putting my fics up onto mediaminer.org, but even then, I don't generally go trowling around looking for fics there, either. I rely on reccommendations from friends and other readers as well as what's posted to the livejournal communities.

One thing I'll say, though, for ff.net--it's good for a quick and dirty statistic: "[so many peolpe have written for such-and-such a series" or "so many fics have been posted for this-or-that series."

Posted by: hpstrangelove (hpstrangelove)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:10 pm (UTC)
intro - kamui

I'm big in the Harry Potter fandom, and lots of fic authors post there; the thing I dislike about the site is the heavy handed way they just delete fics, with no notice to the writer as to why. There was a big scandal with a good writer who had complaints that were felt came from another (jealous) writer; the fic was pulled for violation of the NC-17 rating even though there was nothing in the fic that would have been judged like that.

That's always the example that comes to mind, but I know there have been quite a few stories that have disappeared. If a story is posted at more than one site, FF.net will the LAST one I go to.

Posted by: Maria (reynardine)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:23 pm (UTC)
write_flapper

I've had an account on ff.net since 2001 and ff.net is the first place I go to trawl for fics when I'm in a new fandom. Yes, there are an appalling number of young teens there with bad writing, but there are also many good authors of all ages as well. A fic has a better chance of wide readership when posted on ff.net, which is why a number of fanfic writers still post on there while hating the place.

They split things up by fandom, and in some of the larger fandoms, you can search by character and/or pairing (they have two character searches). The default search does not include "mature" (R-rated) fic, although some people do still post it on there and get away with it unless someone complains. All you have to do is adjust a field when you do the search and more fics appear.

They also have an area of recommended fics (CC) that one can trawl to find things, again sorted by fandom. However, there is no search function in that area, so it takes a while to find things. But I've found some of my favorite fics via that area.

I guess because I got on there when it was still a fairly new place, I have more tolerance to it? I don't frequent their boards.

I also post on my writing journal akikawa_nikki, but a number of my older fics aren't on there (anything I wrote before starting that journal). However, the downside of a personal writing journal is that unless you have already established a following for your writing, not many people visit, and those that do rarely comment.

Oh, and re the comments on ff.net: I rarely get substantial feedback. Most of the feedback I recieve is on the line of "I loved the story, when will you update?". Never had a problem with flames there, though.

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:28 pm (UTC)

I know how you feel about substantial feedback. I don't get that myself. @_@ pisses me off sometimes, but that's not ff.net's fault; it's the readers.

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:27 pm (UTC)

I don't have a problem with them. It's fairly simple-- a lot simpler than when it first started, I can tell you that. I've been a member since the year 2000 and I was aware of them before then.

They're also probably one of the biggest sites for fanfictions. There are certain fandoms where they will not accept posts for--such as some authors who have said they don't wish for fanfictions to be written about their works.

I'd love to answer questions, but I'm not sure what question to give answers for. If you scroll on my LJ you can find a link for my stuff on ff.net if you're curious to see what it's like.

It's pretty well organized. Fandoms are split into categories and subcategories.

Err... I'm probably not helping much, am I?

Posted by: KawaiiAyu (kawaiiayu)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:35 pm (UTC)

Well I dont write, but I read stuff there. I'm not saying its FABULOUS but its okay. It gets my fix, ya know?

Posted by: Too cute for evil (ginny_t)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
GH - Yasuhara

I'm mostly not into fanfic, except for what my friends write in series that I know. That said, FF.net has a pretty bad reputation with me. I've heard horror stories about people's behaviour over there. O_o (Then again, it's the horror stories that travel, because people being good doesn't make for spectacular storytelling.)

Posted by: We're only several miles from the sun (animegoil)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
faikuro

You know, I've been using ff.net since... about 4 or 5 years now? And I've published a good bit of fics, and I've only gotten like.. three flames (on the same fic, and it was about the pairing XD) so... it puzzles me a bit when people talk about the horror stories-- the bitching of reviewers, or the lack of feedback (but once again, that's true anywhere. I've got fics posted on LJ where all I get is-- aw, cute, very sweet!). I really don't think it's that bad at all. After all, I'm assuming it's usually anonymous reviewers who are bitching, and their reviews can always be deleted.

Hey, who's on your icon? *looks familiar* <-- random, lol

Posted by: Too cute for evil (ginny_t)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 07:22 pm (UTC)
GH - Cabana Boys

That's Yasuhara of Ghost Hunt. He's a little dangerous - cute, smart, but OMG sly! I don't know if you know Fruits Basket, but if you have, then he's what I think Shigure would've been like without the curse.

It's a shame, really: I think he'd make a great cabana boy.

What you said about ff.net is probably right. And applicable to the internet in general, really.

Posted by: yamikakyuu (yamikakyuu)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)

I used my blog and my own forum to post my ficts, but Im not a huge fanfict writer, GH is the only anime that Ive ever done so far. I dont really visit ff.net, I tend to not like fanficts unless there are very true to the org story (which is why I do like yours) I dont like AU and characters ooc, so I tend to stay away from ff.net. I have read a few GH ficts off of it and they were decent.

Posted by: LKK (lkk)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 06:22 pm (UTC)

My non-Tolkien fics are over at ff.net. (I don't have many. Some Legal Drug drabbles, some Eerie Queerie drabbles, and a lone Gravitation drabble.) I would second the comment about useless feedback beyond the "cool! update soon!" type of feedback. Sometimes you get more. But that's rare.

Uploading a fic or a new chapter to an existing fic is an okay process. But I've found that modifying an existing published chapter is a little more difficult. I've seen other sites offer a simpler process. It's not impossible to change a published chapter on ff.net. And from what I understand, it used to be much worse than it is now. But still, I think it's cumbersome compared to the Tolkien site I used frequently.

FF.net does have a reputation of yanking stories that "violate" the rules without checking that the violation wasn't the result of a disgruntled reader and not a genuine violation. I know someone who had that happen to her. They seemed to have eased off of that though. I haven't heard the horror stories like I was hearing back in 2002 - 2003.

FF.net does have the largest readership on the net. This is important if you write in a smaller fandom. Big fandoms like Harry Potter, Tolkien, Star Trek, even a mid-sized one like Gravitation have some very well-run and well-populated dedicated fiction sites.

But if you're looking for a place to host your GH fics, the only place you can expect to find that has a separate GH category at the moment is ff.net. (I know. I've checked all the other non-fandom specific sites for GH categories.)

Posted by: We're only several miles from the sun (animegoil)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 06:58 pm (UTC)
kamui 2

Well, pretty much before I found LJ, ff.net is all I used. It's true that there's a lot of crap writers, and you do have to sift through a good bit... but that's true anywhere. I love it simply because it's another huge source of fics-- you can search by summaries, by title, by character, rating, length, language, etc. I post all my fics on ff.net. ^_^

Posted by: Hybrid Paradox (yunaura)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 07:14 pm (UTC)
Tsubasa

Everyone's pretty much covered the pros and cons, so I don't have much to add. I agree that FF.Net is one of the first places I head to for fandom fixes as well, although they won't always have a good dose.

I haven't added anything myself recently, so I don't know if the editing system's the same or not anymore. Some people have little formating issues, but in most of those cases, the writer doesn't beta their work anyways.

Be prepared for lots of "next update?" comments. ==;;

I lurk there a lot but rarely leave comments. *is ashamed* :x

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 09:47 pm (UTC)

Update soon is like the new sincerely or something. It's annoying.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC)

Be careful with FFnet. They have a tendency to pander to their favorites but allow "writers" to post blatant plagiarisms of other stories without ever bothering to punish the offender unless it benefits them to do so.

Posted by: Kakurenbo (akinarei)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC)

But the admins don't know-- with the thousands of stories and hundreds of writers they can't all keep track.

That's why they ask the readers and writers-- you and I to report things like that.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: April 10th, 2007 06:35 am (UTC)

Heh ... they did know. They had well over 100 reports on one incident, alone, and they chose to ignore it because the didn't like the author of the originally posted fiction.

Posted by: サヤカ (sayaka86)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 08:27 pm (UTC)

well honestly im kind of new to stuff like FF and LJ, so i havent posted a thing on FF, but i was introduced to FF by a friend and that is the only place i know where to look for fanfictions, unless could others recommend me good sites to read fanfictions? arigatou :)
sometimes FF does get on my nerves that the writings are not up to my standards... as some of you guys have said, it's kind of teenagery... and sometimes they don't host fanfictions from the animes that i want :(

could i ask kagedreams a question relating to ghost hunt? i m not sure whetehr this place is relevant to ask the question, but i don't know where else to ask.

my question is, how does naru know when to come to mai's rescue? it seems to me without fail, at the cursed school, where mai fell into the manhole and at the nurse's office, how did naru know she was there and come for her, or rather know that she was in trouble? was it just mere coincidence that he was around the area...?

thanks :)

Posted by: Shadow (kagedreams)
Posted at: April 10th, 2007 03:31 am (UTC)

my question is, how does naru know when to come to mai's rescue? it seems to me without fail, at the cursed school, where mai fell into the manhole and at the nurse's office, how did naru know she was there and come for her, or rather know that she was in trouble? was it just mere coincidence that he was around the area...?

My opinion is that it's primarily a plot device. ^^; However, the scene in Yasuhara's school does have a logical extension to it when you think about it. Ayako was told to stay with Mai but clearly runs off somewhere leaving Mai alone despite what Naru'd said. The nurse's office is one of the places that has a camera set in place, so even without being written into the story, it's easy to see why Naru would go there once that happens. (Although I do have to wonder about his going alone...). ^^; I can't recall any particular reason for when Mai fell in the manhole though. Neither of them had told anyone they'd be in that area.

Posted by: サヤカ (sayaka86)
Posted at: April 10th, 2007 11:02 am (UTC)

arigatou.. i thought of there being a camera in the nurse's room as well, but simliar to you, i was wondering what was he doing there alone :p usually he would come running with lin right? :p but maybe there was no one in base so he came alone....

hmm so the manhole is still a mystery :p i will let the naru x mai fangirl in me think about that :p

arigatou for answering my question :)

Posted by: Simply NANA (toriru4ever)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 09:37 pm (UTC)

I have my own site for furuba fanfic
for other fics I post on LJ and ff.net (though I don't like ff.net ) ^^'

Posted by: Ysabet (umadoshi)
Posted at: April 9th, 2007 10:12 pm (UTC)
Haru & Yuki sekuhara (squareitup)

I have precisely one fic up there. The site's reputation is pretty offputting, and I dislike the fact that they'll apparently just yank stories without investigation if someone complains for any reason. The only time I've known that to happen was in my favor, when they made someone's plagiarized copy of a story of mine disappear, but it bothers me that no one even contacted me back about it. It just vanished.

Also, though, their formatting is a bitch. I post larger fics to sites like MediaMiner (also has a terrible reputation, but again, archive = more readers) and don't have to reformat plain text documents. With ff.net you have to really keep an eye on which symbols they allow. >.> "*" is on the list of things that doesn't show up or breaks it somehow, I forget which. It's a huge pain.

Short answer: most of my fic goes to my own site and LJ, longer things get wider cross-posting, and although I sometimes consider posting more at ff.net I usually can't be bothered.

Posted by: Joie (hymnia)
Posted at: April 10th, 2007 12:56 am (UTC)
Shuurei in wind

I think FF.net is okay if you don't have a better venue. I have an account there, but I've never used it. I've only ever posted one fic online, and it's hosted at a series-specific archive that's known to be a bit choosy about what fics they'll host. I think that's probably the ideal situation, if you can find something like that, because you might get more traffic than you would if you just host on your own website or LJ, but you don't get thrown into the huge, barely navigable milieu of fics of widely varying quality that is FF.net.

Posted by: Rilina (rilina)
Posted at: April 10th, 2007 01:24 am (UTC)

I started writing fic in the Harry Potter fandom, and it went up first at FF.net (ease of access, etc) and later at some fandom specific archives. Almost all that's come down since then, though not really for archive-related reasons; I just didn't care for the fandom or the stuff I'd written any more.

Since I started writing fic again last year, I've gone and posted some of my longer stories there, but I consider my fic LJ my primary archive at t his point. But I posted a couple there because I wanted to have my stories somewhere other than LJ as well. I've thought about moving them to ficwad, though.

I've never had issues with the admins there, though I've heard the horror stories as well. I also feel like the feedback isn't that great, not that it's necessarily that great in other places eiher. But honestly, if I was primarily writing fic for the feedback of strangers, I wouldn't be writing it at all. :)

Posted by: カイロンスター (chironstar)
Posted at: April 11th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)

Ano ... I'm not a fic writer so I don't know how much this will count, but I used to (ie. a long time ago) go to FF.net a lot to find fics to read ... the problem is, FF.net has deteriorated to the point where I'd go look on LJ or specific websites for quality fics instead...

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: April 11th, 2007 07:32 am (UTC)

Not much to add, since I don't post my writing online. But I have noted that the different fandoms on FF.net develop their own 'personalities' even without using the boards.

Hmm. Large, highly-trafficked archives present more possibilities, so as a reader, I like FF.net. A giant index is appealing, even if I have to dig to find the gems. It's more realistic like that. Reminds me of a library, (though the worst library books usually have correct punctuation, unlike the worst of FF.net.) I also like the smaller archives created by a single person who doesn't accept submissions. These selective sites can present the really fantastic 'core' fics of a fandom. (Ex: Hakubaikou's Rurouni Kenshin fanworks site, when she had time to update.) I do not enjoy low-traffic archives or fanfic sites for single authors. They're harder to find and have less variety.

As a writer, though, it's different. Where you want to post/publish your stories depends on your purpose for posting. (Do you want constructive criticism from fellow writers? Or the more general fandom's reaction? Or simply to share your work, no matter the response?)

I've seen some lovely constructive reviews on FF.net, but those are mainly between top-notch writers in the same fandom who recognize eachother's talents. They are certainly not guaranteed; as others have noted, it's more likely to get the generic comment "I like it, please update!" However, you won't find a larger audience. These other communities are isolated groups, and it's not likely your work will be read outside them.

In your case, Shadow, you seem to have attracted an audience beforehand, and with your fansubbing projects, you're likely to increase traffic in the future. Doubtless, wherever you post, you'll have these enthusiastic fans come by and comment. So really, it only depends on whether you want a wider audience than these fans, and whether you want to post where others can post fanfics, too.

(Is FF.net the only English GH fanfic community so far? Perhaps someone should make their own site, heh.)

Oi, like I said, I don't post my writing online, so I lack experience/advice. Hope these ramblings on purpose are more useful than cluttering... >.<

Best,
'Mystenigmary'

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